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	<title>Comments on: Rock the vote? Not bloody likely&#8230;.</title>
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		<title>By: Twenty Major</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4653</link>
		<dc:creator>Twenty Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, the old &#039;any publicity is good publicity&#039; approach.

It might just be that something like this requires a bit more credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, the old &#8216;any publicity is good publicity&#8217; approach.</p>
<p>It might just be that something like this requires a bit more credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4639</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 13:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twenty - there are three basic categories of young non-voters in this country - and the reality is even if the largest portion  of them are &quot;not cool&quot; and read Heat you still need to go after them.  The fact of the matter is: celebrity sells. Radio stations won&#039;t carry boring pieces about the big issues again and again, they want a bit of spice, otherwise listners will tune out. The same goes for most of the papers.

RTV involved Katy French, Louis Walsh etc to provoke a reaction. They knew full well that people would write about it - but that&#039;s what they wanted - they wanted people to talk - they could talk about the issue in a good or bad way - either way it didn&#039;t matter. 

The main guy Paddy Cosgrave thinks it&#039;s great that some bloggers are giving out about the campaign - he gets his own mates for christ sake to give out stink about it online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty &#8211; there are three basic categories of young non-voters in this country &#8211; and the reality is even if the largest portion  of them are &#8220;not cool&#8221; and read Heat you still need to go after them.  The fact of the matter is: celebrity sells. Radio stations won&#8217;t carry boring pieces about the big issues again and again, they want a bit of spice, otherwise listners will tune out. The same goes for most of the papers.</p>
<p>RTV involved Katy French, Louis Walsh etc to provoke a reaction. They knew full well that people would write about it &#8211; but that&#8217;s what they wanted &#8211; they wanted people to talk &#8211; they could talk about the issue in a good or bad way &#8211; either way it didn&#8217;t matter. </p>
<p>The main guy Paddy Cosgrave thinks it&#8217;s great that some bloggers are giving out about the campaign &#8211; he gets his own mates for christ sake to give out stink about it online.</p>
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		<title>By: Twenty Major</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4637</link>
		<dc:creator>Twenty Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 12:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What are you more likely to buy - Heat Magazine or the Phoenix - what are you more likely to watch Celebrity Big Brother or The Leaders Debate?&lt;/i&gt;

Haha, fuck me. If the people you&#039;re trying to reach are readers of Heat who enjoy Celebrity Big Brother then you&#039;re a sad lot.

Did you think about a series of crayon drawings, perhaps? With really big writing and easy to spell words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What are you more likely to buy &#8211; Heat Magazine or the Phoenix &#8211; what are you more likely to watch Celebrity Big Brother or The Leaders Debate?</i></p>
<p>Haha, fuck me. If the people you&#8217;re trying to reach are readers of Heat who enjoy Celebrity Big Brother then you&#8217;re a sad lot.</p>
<p>Did you think about a series of crayon drawings, perhaps? With really big writing and easy to spell words.</p>
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		<title>By: otrab</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4635</link>
		<dc:creator>otrab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 11:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>god Mary.  Did you grow up living under a pompous tree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>god Mary.  Did you grow up living under a pompous tree?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4633</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 10:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, on that, Mary - I am more likely to buy the Phoenix and watch the leaders debate and I am studying politics, but I&#039;m 20, I&#039;m voting for the first time and my brother who&#039;s also voting for the first time would not be into any of the things you mentioned (either big brother, the phoenix or heat magazine - he may have watched chunks of the leaders debate but ....) and he would find the RockTheVote ads insulting. Some cop-on and treating people who are 18 years old (minimum, obviously) like their not idiots would help. And even aiming the campaign around things like particular issues without actually endorsing a position would also be more useful for getting young people interested (your vote will help influence what the different parties do regarding suicide for example - here&#039;s what the different parties plan to do...), that would be more useful than some c-list &#039;celeb&#039; doing devil horns...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, on that, Mary &#8211; I am more likely to buy the Phoenix and watch the leaders debate and I am studying politics, but I&#8217;m 20, I&#8217;m voting for the first time and my brother who&#8217;s also voting for the first time would not be into any of the things you mentioned (either big brother, the phoenix or heat magazine &#8211; he may have watched chunks of the leaders debate but &#8230;.) and he would find the RockTheVote ads insulting. Some cop-on and treating people who are 18 years old (minimum, obviously) like their not idiots would help. And even aiming the campaign around things like particular issues without actually endorsing a position would also be more useful for getting young people interested (your vote will help influence what the different parties do regarding suicide for example &#8211; here&#8217;s what the different parties plan to do&#8230;), that would be more useful than some c-list &#8216;celeb&#8217; doing devil horns&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4630</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 09:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twenty - that&#039;s just your opinion - and in my opinion I don&#039;t think you are in anyway representative of the audience we are trying to reach. You are quite a negative person. The vids were shown to an audience of 80 non-voters before they were re-edited. The overall response was positive - sure there were some criticisms, but nothing like your response. What are you more likely to buy - Heat Magazine or the Phoenix - what are you more likely to watch Celebrity Big Brother or The Leaders Debate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty &#8211; that&#8217;s just your opinion &#8211; and in my opinion I don&#8217;t think you are in anyway representative of the audience we are trying to reach. You are quite a negative person. The vids were shown to an audience of 80 non-voters before they were re-edited. The overall response was positive &#8211; sure there were some criticisms, but nothing like your response. What are you more likely to buy &#8211; Heat Magazine or the Phoenix &#8211; what are you more likely to watch Celebrity Big Brother or The Leaders Debate?</p>
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		<title>By: Twenty Major</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4627</link>
		<dc:creator>Twenty Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 09:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever the motivation is behind it, Mary, doesn&#039;t stop it from being hackneyed, clichéd, cringeworthy shite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the motivation is behind it, Mary, doesn&#8217;t stop it from being hackneyed, clichéd, cringeworthy shite.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4626</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 09:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enuff. My general post and the actual comments have been on two different topics though. I knew that they couldn&#039;t be &#039;partisan&#039; but the discussion on the comments has been about their funding mostly. 

Btw, for that I do apologise for stating that they got &#039;govt monies&#039; - misinformation! All forgiven yeah?

Mary - yeah there is things like www.mycandidate.ie but to be honest, most of that tells you nothing about the candidates involved. 

Also, while the Rockthevote.ie campaign has gotten some people talking it still doesn&#039;t excuse the fact that their ads are terrible and that they haven&#039;t really talked about anything other than.. &#039;you should vote like&#039;. I&#039;m a first time voter this election and if anything Rockthevote.ie hasn&#039;t helped me in anything, even worse, the stupidity of their ads nearly makes me not want to vote. 

And on a final note - most of the first time voters I&#039;ve talked to don&#039;t even know what &#039;Rockthevote&#039; is... It seems to only be raising awareness amongst those who already know... Maybe the situation is different in Dublin but...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enuff. My general post and the actual comments have been on two different topics though. I knew that they couldn&#8217;t be &#8216;partisan&#8217; but the discussion on the comments has been about their funding mostly. </p>
<p>Btw, for that I do apologise for stating that they got &#8216;govt monies&#8217; &#8211; misinformation! All forgiven yeah?</p>
<p>Mary &#8211; yeah there is things like <a href="http://www.mycandidate.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.mycandidate.ie</a> but to be honest, most of that tells you nothing about the candidates involved. </p>
<p>Also, while the Rockthevote.ie campaign has gotten some people talking it still doesn&#8217;t excuse the fact that their ads are terrible and that they haven&#8217;t really talked about anything other than.. &#8216;you should vote like&#8217;. I&#8217;m a first time voter this election and if anything Rockthevote.ie hasn&#8217;t helped me in anything, even worse, the stupidity of their ads nearly makes me not want to vote. </p>
<p>And on a final note &#8211; most of the first time voters I&#8217;ve talked to don&#8217;t even know what &#8216;Rockthevote&#8217; is&#8230; It seems to only be raising awareness amongst those who already know&#8230; Maybe the situation is different in Dublin but&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4625</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 09:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are just hilarious - I&#039;m guessing you are all too young to vote or just unaware of electoral and broadcast legislation in this country. Rock the Vote like so many other local and community groups established to encourage people to excercise their basic right to vote falls under the auspices of SIPO (the standards in public office commission) which is responsible for enforcing Government legislation and BCI. 

Under the electoral acts Rock the Vote cannot act in anyway whatsoever that can be construed as being pro or anti government. If they start raising the issue of cancer research for example or the day of polling then they will get slammed by SIPO and forced to wind down as they would then be classified as a third party formed for political purposes. As for their ads, once again under BCI and RTE&#039;s own policies, they must follow the same guidelines. The political parties don&#039;t have to do this, because they are political parties - they have an agenda - Rock the Vote cannot have an agenda.

As for information on candidates check out www.mycandidate.ie - it&#039;s a good start, and will only get better.

The main guy behind has very progressive political beliefs, but his hands are completely tied. If he puts one foot wrong he&#039;ll get smacked in the face by SIPO, who sit him down regularly.

With almost no money these guys have made such an impact - like or not, for the first time the media right across this country are talking about the youth vote - they are talking to young people, and young people are talking - you guys are talking - that&#039;s an achievement - especially considering that they have spent less than the average candidate will spend on trying to get elected. 

It&#039;s money well spent.  

But seriousloy guys get a grip - there&#039;s strict legislation in this country - they have to follow it - end of story. Get worked up, but at least get worked up on the actual areas of the campaign which can be improved - of which, if you listen to any of the radio or TV interviews with the guys, there are lots. They have been massively restricted in what they can do due to funding. 

Good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are just hilarious &#8211; I&#8217;m guessing you are all too young to vote or just unaware of electoral and broadcast legislation in this country. Rock the Vote like so many other local and community groups established to encourage people to excercise their basic right to vote falls under the auspices of SIPO (the standards in public office commission) which is responsible for enforcing Government legislation and BCI. </p>
<p>Under the electoral acts Rock the Vote cannot act in anyway whatsoever that can be construed as being pro or anti government. If they start raising the issue of cancer research for example or the day of polling then they will get slammed by SIPO and forced to wind down as they would then be classified as a third party formed for political purposes. As for their ads, once again under BCI and RTE&#8217;s own policies, they must follow the same guidelines. The political parties don&#8217;t have to do this, because they are political parties &#8211; they have an agenda &#8211; Rock the Vote cannot have an agenda.</p>
<p>As for information on candidates check out <a href="http://www.mycandidate.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.mycandidate.ie</a> &#8211; it&#8217;s a good start, and will only get better.</p>
<p>The main guy behind has very progressive political beliefs, but his hands are completely tied. If he puts one foot wrong he&#8217;ll get smacked in the face by SIPO, who sit him down regularly.</p>
<p>With almost no money these guys have made such an impact &#8211; like or not, for the first time the media right across this country are talking about the youth vote &#8211; they are talking to young people, and young people are talking &#8211; you guys are talking &#8211; that&#8217;s an achievement &#8211; especially considering that they have spent less than the average candidate will spend on trying to get elected. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s money well spent.  </p>
<p>But seriousloy guys get a grip &#8211; there&#8217;s strict legislation in this country &#8211; they have to follow it &#8211; end of story. Get worked up, but at least get worked up on the actual areas of the campaign which can be improved &#8211; of which, if you listen to any of the radio or TV interviews with the guys, there are lots. They have been massively restricted in what they can do due to funding. </p>
<p>Good luck</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.johnmortell.com/2007/05/16/rock-the-vote-not-bloody-likely/comment-page-1/#comment-4603</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 22:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I would wonder how much they&#039;re getting (either in kind or resources) from RTE in general... I mean,that must have some money from it surely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I would wonder how much they&#8217;re getting (either in kind or resources) from RTE in general&#8230; I mean,that must have some money from it surely?</p>
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